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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 19:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Savage confounds bullying and homosexuality; they are separate issues. Savage is correct that homosexuals -- or anyone -- should not be bullied for any reason!  So let&#039;s leave biblical passages about homosexuality out of the civil rights issue.  Second, support for the dignity and civil rights of homosexuals is not to be confused with promoting homosexuality. I&#039;m a Christian who supports the dignity of civil rights of homosexuals (and all human beings), but I hold homosexuality to be morally wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Savage confounds bullying and homosexuality; they are separate issues. Savage is correct that homosexuals &#8212; or anyone &#8212; should not be bullied for any reason!  So let&#8217;s leave biblical passages about homosexuality out of the civil rights issue.  Second, support for the dignity and civil rights of homosexuals is not to be confused with promoting homosexuality. I&#8217;m a Christian who supports the dignity of civil rights of homosexuals (and all human beings), but I hold homosexuality to be morally wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by Darwin's Homo Accepting Disciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwin's Homo Accepting Disciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 12:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ-

You ask &quot;How does the promotion of homosexual activity square itself with creatures who are in desperate need to procreate and advance the species if it hopes to avoid extinction?&quot;.

You imply that evolutionary theory assumes the main goal of any given species is to avoid extinction.  Darwin and science have taught, instead, that the avoidance of extinction is not a primary goal, but a result of a specific set of features being more suited to long term survival.  

To answer your question, the promotion of homosexual activity encourages all beings to be comfortable and happy with who they are, which in turn builds a world more accepting of all people, which ultimately creates a global community in which the human race will thrive.  Darwin might say that in this time, when our most basic of needs are met, the &quot;fittest&quot; among us are those who can live in harmony with their global neighbors.  Judging or looking negatively upon anyone  based on their natural desire to lay next to someone of the same sex, no matter how politely or humanely, does little to foster a harmonious community.

TLDR (too long, didn&#039;t read): Evolution favors the &quot;fittest&quot;, and speaking for Darwin, I say today&#039;s fittest are those who live harmoniously without judgement of their neighbor.

-Darwin out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ-</p>
<p>You ask &#8220;How does the promotion of homosexual activity square itself with creatures who are in desperate need to procreate and advance the species if it hopes to avoid extinction?&#8221;.</p>
<p>You imply that evolutionary theory assumes the main goal of any given species is to avoid extinction.  Darwin and science have taught, instead, that the avoidance of extinction is not a primary goal, but a result of a specific set of features being more suited to long term survival.  </p>
<p>To answer your question, the promotion of homosexual activity encourages all beings to be comfortable and happy with who they are, which in turn builds a world more accepting of all people, which ultimately creates a global community in which the human race will thrive.  Darwin might say that in this time, when our most basic of needs are met, the &#8220;fittest&#8221; among us are those who can live in harmony with their global neighbors.  Judging or looking negatively upon anyone  based on their natural desire to lay next to someone of the same sex, no matter how politely or humanely, does little to foster a harmonious community.</p>
<p>TLDR (too long, didn&#8217;t read): Evolution favors the &#8220;fittest&#8221;, and speaking for Darwin, I say today&#8217;s fittest are those who live harmoniously without judgement of their neighbor.</p>
<p>-Darwin out</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by SecondhandBooks</title>
		<link>http://rjmoeller.com/2012/05/dan-savage-pansy-or-prophetic-pansy/comment-page-1/#comment-2944</link>
		<dc:creator>SecondhandBooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GenderFibson, it seems strange you elude to the fact you clearly think homosexuality is a &#039;sin&#039; yet you feel obliged not to say it in clearly written words, why is that? Also in regards to the notion the Bible is inspired by God where is your evidence or basis for this as truth? I fail to understand that simply because you use the word &quot;faith&quot; and add that some omnipotent &quot;god&quot; says so based on the words of people thousands of years ago, something becomes justified. We all understand that Superman does in fact not exist but there is as much evidence for his existence as their is god is their not? By your measures do not the words of Hitler in Mein Kampf have as much credence and truth- purely because they are written down?

Crucially, how have you come to the conclusion the world is getting worse? Perhaps your personal inclinations are against the principles of freedom and rationality have drawn you to that conclusion? But the fact is the world is not realistically getting worse, only more accessible. Violent crime, Racism, Religious extremism occurs now as it has always done, in fact with less ease in western countries now than say a hundred yeas ago, to the detrimental affect of many. Also, when you say don&#039;t seem, you appear to again be alluding to some mystical force that exists beyond reason and the physical? Give me a reason to remotely suggest Homosexuality is immoral or wrong? It is the job of the person who makes such assumptions to provide evidence to support their claim not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GenderFibson, it seems strange you elude to the fact you clearly think homosexuality is a &#8217;sin&#8217; yet you feel obliged not to say it in clearly written words, why is that? Also in regards to the notion the Bible is inspired by God where is your evidence or basis for this as truth? I fail to understand that simply because you use the word &#8220;faith&#8221; and add that some omnipotent &#8220;god&#8221; says so based on the words of people thousands of years ago, something becomes justified. We all understand that Superman does in fact not exist but there is as much evidence for his existence as their is god is their not? By your measures do not the words of Hitler in Mein Kampf have as much credence and truth- purely because they are written down?</p>
<p>Crucially, how have you come to the conclusion the world is getting worse? Perhaps your personal inclinations are against the principles of freedom and rationality have drawn you to that conclusion? But the fact is the world is not realistically getting worse, only more accessible. Violent crime, Racism, Religious extremism occurs now as it has always done, in fact with less ease in western countries now than say a hundred yeas ago, to the detrimental affect of many. Also, when you say don&#8217;t seem, you appear to again be alluding to some mystical force that exists beyond reason and the physical? Give me a reason to remotely suggest Homosexuality is immoral or wrong? It is the job of the person who makes such assumptions to provide evidence to support their claim not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by RJ Moeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ Moeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 21:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt-

Appreciate you taking the time to read it. Happy to find people who disagree with me reading my stuff.  

1) The free-range farm is a joke. It&#039;s funny. I laughed while typing it.  Humor is not only allowed, it is encouraged here.  You have put the negative connotation onto the word free-range.  Pointing that out suggests you may be looking for something to be offended by when it is not really there.

2) Kurt, just because you aren&#039;t up to speed on the news doesn&#039;t mean your worldview trumps the facts that the rest of us know to be true.  Dan Savage DID say those words about Republicans.  On Bill Maher&#039;s show.  In 2011.  http://youtu.be/5t5iWp9fDiU  That straw man may turn out to be sturdier than you&#039;d care for it to be.

3) In your quote you left out the part where i said &quot;in my opinion...&quot;  It is my opinion, having lived on planet earth and interacted with humans of all stripes and persuasions for nearly three decades, and having heard Mr. Savage in his own words say as much, that he is substantially fueled by his disdain for religious conservatives (which, as he often cites, his parents are).  This is, again, my opinion.  Take it or leave it.  (I&#039;m guessing you&#039;ll leave it, and that&#039;s fine.)

4) The &quot;go forth&quot; bit is, again, something I like to call humor.  Everyone but conservatives are allowed to poke fun at serious and heated cultural debates.  I take this matter seriously, which is precisely why it is ripe for some good-natured ribbing.  Yes, I did just use the term ribbing.  No, I&#039;m not 76 years old.  

I appreciate your pointers, and do appreciate you reading my post.  Please visit again and feel free to comment whenever you&#039;d like.  God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt-</p>
<p>Appreciate you taking the time to read it. Happy to find people who disagree with me reading my stuff.  </p>
<p>1) The free-range farm is a joke. It&#8217;s funny. I laughed while typing it.  Humor is not only allowed, it is encouraged here.  You have put the negative connotation onto the word free-range.  Pointing that out suggests you may be looking for something to be offended by when it is not really there.</p>
<p>2) Kurt, just because you aren&#8217;t up to speed on the news doesn&#8217;t mean your worldview trumps the facts that the rest of us know to be true.  Dan Savage DID say those words about Republicans.  On Bill Maher&#8217;s show.  In 2011.  <a href="http://youtu.be/5t5iWp9fDiU" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/5t5iWp9fDiU</a>  That straw man may turn out to be sturdier than you&#8217;d care for it to be.</p>
<p>3) In your quote you left out the part where i said &#8220;in my opinion&#8230;&#8221;  It is my opinion, having lived on planet earth and interacted with humans of all stripes and persuasions for nearly three decades, and having heard Mr. Savage in his own words say as much, that he is substantially fueled by his disdain for religious conservatives (which, as he often cites, his parents are).  This is, again, my opinion.  Take it or leave it.  (I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;ll leave it, and that&#8217;s fine.)</p>
<p>4) The &#8220;go forth&#8221; bit is, again, something I like to call humor.  Everyone but conservatives are allowed to poke fun at serious and heated cultural debates.  I take this matter seriously, which is precisely why it is ripe for some good-natured ribbing.  Yes, I did just use the term ribbing.  No, I&#8217;m not 76 years old.  </p>
<p>I appreciate your pointers, and do appreciate you reading my post.  Please visit again and feel free to comment whenever you&#8217;d like.  God bless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by GenderFibson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He can suggest THAT, SecondHandBooks, on the faith that the Bible is inspired by God, the Creator of the universe. Granted, if you don&#039;t believe such things, than faith alone will not convince you. In the same way you have faith that actions and lifestyle have no consequence eternally. 

But why then is any other action considered wrong? You&#039;re saying that as long someone&#039;s actions, lifestyle or choices don&#039;t SEEM to be of danger to themselves or anyone else that they must in fact be acceptable. Also, even with religion in this world, it seems to still be incredibly void of morals and increasingly lacking in all things good, and only getting worse. 

RJ, excellent post as always. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He can suggest THAT, SecondHandBooks, on the faith that the Bible is inspired by God, the Creator of the universe. Granted, if you don&#8217;t believe such things, than faith alone will not convince you. In the same way you have faith that actions and lifestyle have no consequence eternally. </p>
<p>But why then is any other action considered wrong? You&#8217;re saying that as long someone&#8217;s actions, lifestyle or choices don&#8217;t SEEM to be of danger to themselves or anyone else that they must in fact be acceptable. Also, even with religion in this world, it seems to still be incredibly void of morals and increasingly lacking in all things good, and only getting worse. </p>
<p>RJ, excellent post as always. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Vonnegut Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ-
I thought I would leave some writing tips citing specific examples in case you are interested:

1.)I&#039;d bet the free-range farm
-It seems the purpose of this is merely to demean Dan Savage. Personal attacks are weak form

2.)&quot;I wish all Republicans were F-ing dead!&quot;
-Nobody said this. This might be the definition of a straw-man argument: you put words in an entire groups mouths and then attack them for it.

3.)...and unleashed all the pent-up aggression he has harbored toward his religious, conservative parents on them.
-Is there any proof to support that this is indeed the motivation behind his statements or is this merely an assumption? Seems like a stretch to me. 

4.)&quot;go forth and humiliate all the nations of homos you will encounter.&quot;
-The straw man returns!

That being said, I disagreed with the gist of your post but I did stick it out all the way to the end. Apparently I lacked the courage to close it out halfway through because it disagreed with my convictions. 

-KV jr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ-<br />
I thought I would leave some writing tips citing specific examples in case you are interested:</p>
<p>1.)I&#8217;d bet the free-range farm<br />
-It seems the purpose of this is merely to demean Dan Savage. Personal attacks are weak form</p>
<p>2.)&#8221;I wish all Republicans were F-ing dead!&#8221;<br />
-Nobody said this. This might be the definition of a straw-man argument: you put words in an entire groups mouths and then attack them for it.</p>
<p>3.)&#8230;and unleashed all the pent-up aggression he has harbored toward his religious, conservative parents on them.<br />
-Is there any proof to support that this is indeed the motivation behind his statements or is this merely an assumption? Seems like a stretch to me. </p>
<p>4.)&#8221;go forth and humiliate all the nations of homos you will encounter.&#8221;<br />
-The straw man returns!</p>
<p>That being said, I disagreed with the gist of your post but I did stick it out all the way to the end. Apparently I lacked the courage to close it out halfway through because it disagreed with my convictions. </p>
<p>-KV jr</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by SecondhandBooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>SecondhandBooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 18:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under what justification is there that homosexuality is wrong? You cannot suggest that simply because something is written down that it is truthful or factual in the same way you cannot simply emote something and for it to be fact. If dogmatic religion was state sponsored or institutionalized then individual freedom would disappear. The notion that a world without religion would be without morals and would be void of anything good shows an inherent lack of faith in mans ability to act in a social fashion. I wouldn&#039;t advocate the hate mongering that Dan Savage promotes here, but eually as Christians object to being told their faith is unfounded- you have by that merit no right to say that homosexuality is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under what justification is there that homosexuality is wrong? You cannot suggest that simply because something is written down that it is truthful or factual in the same way you cannot simply emote something and for it to be fact. If dogmatic religion was state sponsored or institutionalized then individual freedom would disappear. The notion that a world without religion would be without morals and would be void of anything good shows an inherent lack of faith in mans ability to act in a social fashion. I wouldn&#8217;t advocate the hate mongering that Dan Savage promotes here, but eually as Christians object to being told their faith is unfounded- you have by that merit no right to say that homosexuality is wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Savage: Pansy or Prophetic Pansy? by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 14:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always...great wisdom and insights!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always&#8230;great wisdom and insights!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s The Deal With Mary Jane?: Part 3 by China Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>China Trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 00:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful blog you have here but I was curious about if you<br />
knew of any user discussion forums that cover<br />
the same topics discussed in this article? I&#8217;d really love to be a part of group where I can get suggestions from other experienced individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks a lot!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Protestant Response to Chesterton by pqgsbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pqgsbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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